Window MADNESS

Windows! Windows! Windows!

I have a sharp pain pulsing just above my right eye and that’s what it’s saying.

Last summer, driving with my parents on a two-lane highway through one of the great forests of the north, we passed a giant sign propped up against the pines at the end of a narrow gravel driveway. You couldn’t see the house, but you could clearly read the sign, which was made of several plywood panels nailed together, and stood probably six-feet by eight-feet, if not even bigger. Someone had scrawled “DON’T BUY BLEEFBLORP WINDOWS” in angry spray paint letters across the wood. On both sides, I noticed when we made the return trip. (I can’t remember the actual window company named.) It made me laugh, at the time. But I am beginning to understand what drives a person to make such a sign.

It feels possible that I have mentioned this before, but I am too lazy/window-fixated to check. We had an energy audit performed on our house a few months ago (which was really, REALLY cool. If you are interested in making your home more energy efficient and have $50 or so to spend, you may want to see if your local utility company provides an energy audit.) which was fascinating and informative. The auditor sealed up our doors, set up a blower, and produced a light vacuum inside the house so we could walk around and find places where air was coming in. Guess what had the most leaks? ALL THE WINDOWS.

It’s not terribly surprising to me, that they are SO LEAKY. They are nearly 30 years old, after all. And it’s clear to me that some of them need replacing anyway, beyond the leaky-around-the-edges stuff; the seal between the panes of several of the windows has begun to fail, which produces unpleasant condensation that you cannot remove. So. We need new windows. Our utility company will give us some money back on each window we replace ($25 a window, I think?), up to $1,500 (we don’t have that many windows), as long as we replace them within a year from doing the audit. So, great, let’s do it.

I have been doing plenty of Window Research, and I feel fairly well-versed in the difference between vinyl and wood and aluminum. I understand U-factor and R-value and I know about double-pane vs. triple pane, and argon vs. krypton in between the panes. My husband read up on sneaky sales tactics to avoid, and so I feel good about spotting and avoiding those, too.

But nonetheless, it is A PROCESS and I am tired and annoyed and I am strongly in favor of just MOVING TO A NEW HOUSE where someone ELSE has made all these ridiculous window choices and let the next owners deal with this window madness themselves.

What’s driving me so crazy, you ask?

1. Sales tactics. Even the companies that SWEAR up and down that they don’t go for sales gimmicks are still trying to sell you on their company and their windows. As they should. So they are still using sales tactics. And sure, some of them are less in-your-face than others. But you still have to meet with someone and go over all these options and hear them pitch their windows and talk about how much better they are than their nameless competitors.

And I kind of think that the less in-your-face tacts are just… more sleazy and manipulative. This one guy from a company that prides itself on being a No-Sales-Pressure, No-Gimmicky-Tactics company was so laid back I thought he was going to fall off the barstool at my counter. Yet, despite his air of “hire us or don’t, we don’t care,” he was also clearly deploying very typical sales tactics. Like, he made this big deal about how, with him, “the price is the price,” and that other companies who offer One Day Only! sales or Act Now! discounts are really only able to offer those prices because they are jacking up the non-sales price from the getgo… But then he also slid in there, “If you’re looking for the lowest price windows, I might as well leave right now. That’s not what you’ll get with us.” We are all conditioned to think that priceyness is representative of quality, right? And, especially combined with his assurance that discounts and sales are representative of sleaziness, he’s clearly Being a Salesman and manipulating me! It just rubbed me the wrong way.

And YES, I know they need to make to money. I know they use sales tactics because they are effective. I know that we make a million choices a day based on overt or invisible manipulation by savvy marketers. I KNOW. I used to write sales copy! But that doesn’t mean that I like it. And I like it even LESS when I’m being assured that I am NOT being Sold To.

2. Choosing an installation company. I am only calling the companies in our area that are rated highly by Angie’s List, with tons of positive reviews… but still. You don’t really KNOW if they are a good company. And I am so irritated with the sales tactics that I find myself suspicious of EVERYONE.

One guy was here in my house for TWO HOURS, pitching his windows. He seemed very nice. But he was so completely focused on building up his credibility that he talked and talked and talked himself right out of my good graces. When he really does seem like a good guy! A person who built his company from scratch and really works hard and knows his stuff and cares about his product. But all I can think about is how the installation will take ten times as long as it should because he won’t be able to stop talking!

But also when I remembered that I hadn’t asked about U-factor, and said something like, “Oh! I almost forgot that I should ask you about the windows’ U value!” he gave me a simpering smile and said, “Did your husband tell you to ask that?” and I said, “No, I researched it.” And then he couldn’t even TELL ME. Well. A) MADDENING and B) Not good, Pete.

3. The windows themselves! Not only do you have to make sure you’re choosing a good company, but you have to make sure the WINDOWS are good. The company who sells the windows is going to make them sound like the world’s best windows, and they’ll have all sorts of awards and stamps and seals of approval to make you think they are super great. But then, you look up the manufacture online, and they are NOT GREAT. Maybe I need to work backwards, and start with the windows… and then find out who installs them?

4. The minutiae. Listen, I just want as close to the same thing we have as possible. Just… new and better quality. While others may care deeply, I do not CARE if my window latches are brushed silver or brass. I do not need internal shades in my sliders. (Especially not for an additional $800.) (Or an additional $450, depending on which company I ask.) I do not care if the latticework is flat or contoured. And when I choose, “white,” please do not then tell me, at length, about the different color options, for an additional $250 a window. If I say I want the standard handle on my slider, please do not tell me how easy the other $60-additional-cost handle is to operate. When I say, very clearly, I just want double paned glass because from what I read it’s FINE for our moderate climate, I do not want to hear how much better the U-factor is with triple-paned glass, and how much of a scam krypton is. I have already made my choice. And there are so very many choices. Latticework or no. Double-hung or picture window. Tempered glass or no (not required except in special cases). Half screen or full. And on and on and on before you are seriously considering boarding everything up and living in darkness for the rest of your life.

5. The price. I had steeled myself in advance that our 13 windows and two sliding doors would cost somewhere around $10,000 to replace. But being prepared to see that on a quote is quite a different thing to being prepared to PAY that amount. And! Some of the quotes are for MORE THAN $10,000!

6. The endlessness of it all! At what point and I going to feel like I have enough information to make this decision and actually BUY the windows? How will I ever decide between these window companies and the windows they sell and the pricing? HOW? I feel like I am ALREADY SO TIRED from researching potential vendors and calling these places and scheduling the meetings and listening to sales pitches… How will I know when I’ve done my due diligence? Hopefully before I DEFENESTRATE MYSELF.

I am ready to give up, is what I’m telling you. But I have two more companies coming to give me sales pitches, and we obviously still have all our very leaky windows from the 90s, so I must endure. And take some window-related Advil.

9 thoughts on “Window MADNESS”

  1. HOW I feel for ya! I’m a salesman, but what is it about window salesmen that are THE worst! Here’s what we did when we bought windows- we hired a reputable contractor for the install, and bought the windows at the hardware/lumberyard ourselves. Windows were about 4k for decent, double pane nice windows that really increased the energy efficiency of our house- and then it was about 3.5k for the installer to pick them up and put them in. If you have an option to do that I HIGHLY recommend it. Just do it through a smaller lumberyard, not a place like Lowe’s. Hope that helps!

  2. Oh, that would irritate me beyond belief. By the time I had reached that point I would just go with the least irritating salesperson and be done with it. Which may explain why I haven’t explored options for replacing our 90’s windows yet.

  3. “Did your husband tell you to ask that?” – my head just exploded and I burst into flames.

    We redid our windows (and doors) back in 2004 when my older son was THREE MONTHS OLD. I don’t even know how it happened. We live in a (as you know) very cold climate and we had bought our house in 2000 when it was…48 years old. The original windows and doors were absolute terrible in terms of energy/ heat loss, so when M was born we wanted a snug little house. But let me tell you, having a three month old baby while people were installing the windows was un-good. I’m glad we did it though. I can’t remember one single thing about the process of choosing windows, except that we bought the triple pane ones (again: cold climate). Ugh. It’s a big messy expensive job but you WILL be happy to be done!

  4. Oh such an annoying progect! We replaced all the windows in our first house. We used the same guy EVERYONE in the neighborhood used. When we moved here that guy had retired and our house was um, nicer. We used the guy my folks started using. Totally trustworthy. He installs. Does it all. You aren’t in Chicago, are you? We went with Thermapane windows. This time we just did a few rooms at a time. I was so happy when the last ones were done. Such a chore. I still think our house is cold. I suspect we need more insullation. There is a can of worms. Good luck! Imagine how happy you will be when it is done. Once you have decided, don’t 2nd guess yourself.

    Oh, this guy with the equivalent of the ‘oh you are a cute little wifey’ comment should be socked in the face. By a woman! I am better at dealing with guys trying to inflate prices, etc than Coach is.

  5. Ugh. This is the sort of thing we never get around to and now I know why. Our big money-sucking project right now is two almost-dead trees in our yard that have to come down because they’ve become hazardous. But it’s a sad thing to have to spend buckets of money on and we won’t even have nice new windows when it’s over.

  6. Oh man, I want to send this blog post to all the writers at my company because we do website marketing for the home improvement industry, so this is exactly what we write about (especially how overwhelming choosing a company can be!) Unfortunately, we say the same things for every client, lol. Low-pressure sales tactics! Best windows ever! Great warranties! I wouldn’t be surprised if you’ve come across one or two (or more!) of the companies we write for during your research.

    I have no advice. I do know which manufacturers are the best, so there’s that. Buuuut… I wish you luck in your journey to new windows!

  7. Oh, yay, sexism. When we had windows replaced, despite me being the one the make the call and schedule the appointment and the salesman meeting me (alone) to go over options and discuss what I wanted, when my husband and I went to his office together to sign the order and put in the down payment- that same salesman didn’t even look at me. He spoke solely to my husband and even put my husbands name on the paperwork (not mine, not anywhere). I was so furious.

    Anyway… after you decide what company to go with, you’ll likely never see the salesman again. So, you don’t need to worry about that chatty guy or how much you like or disliked someone. At the end of the day you need to pick a product you trust at a price you can live with, try not to focus on the person selling so much. So the answer to number 3 is yes, decide what windows you want and then go with a company that installs them (or just an installer as per other comment) that doesn’t have shady reviews- meaning if an install is botched, they’ll fix it. We went with Okna vinyl windows and were very happy with them (lived there 4 years before selling). At the time I think they were about $400 per window plus $50 per window for installation. Okna is a very well respected brand for vinyl windows, but not top of the line like Pella.

    Good luck, hiring out for this stuff always sucks!

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